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I get emails all of the time with a basic drum description and a serial number from visitors in hopes I can unlock the history of their drum. I think in general serial numbers do play an important role in the commercial market especially electronics and other high end items. In the 60's Insurance companies made it mandatory that serial numbers be put on items so they can be documented.

Unfortunately drum companies never really prescribed to any code of documenting a drum based on that serial number. In fact I once heard that they started using serial numbers not for their own use per say but so schools and institutions could keep track of instruments in inventory.

I also get people asking what factory a drum might have shipped from or the exact month a drum was made or even the production numbers etc. The ever important serial number which some companies keep detailed records of unfortunately does not exist in the history of drums. We also have to state that much of the record keeping was archaic at best and in some cases history was destroyed in plant fires or just tossed in the garbage!.

With that said many drum companies never even used serial numbers early on. In most cases the best way to estimate the date of a drum is its physical characteristics. Fortunately drum companies since the 40's were good at printing catalogs. Earlier catalog examples do exist, but are rare and expensive to acquire. In most cases they also included a host of other band instruments and items related to the music business. These catalogs although re-printed in some cases from year to year with limited changes do provide a timeline of when finishes were added and when hardware was used and or changed on drums.

Unfortunately still there is no exact science or way to pinpoint an exact date of a drums manufacture. As collectors and historians we have to settle for a date range or a specific year at best. That being said some drums did get date stamped on the inside shell and that is the most accurate indication when a drum was made. The problem was that the stamp was created with an ink that easily wiped off during routine cleanings!

Even if a serial number badge does exist on a drum anomalies do occur and that is because the badges did not have an inventory control system. A more historical perspective and history of this practice was documented by Vintage Drum Center and can be read here. It is also common knowledge that finishes that were discontinued were kept in inventory and people would order them, so production would use the finish. That throws the date of the drum off! This happened with hardware and badges and these companies were competing in an ever aggressive market and had to do what needed to be done to remain profitable. This is especially the case when import drums started flooding the market with a lower priced alternative set of drums.

Quick Company Guide:
Ludwig Drum Company - Information Below
Slingerland Drums - Click Here
Rogers Drums - A few people are trying to create a guide, but the best way is the physical characteristics
Leedy - Physical characteristics
Gretsch - Physical characteristics
Anyone left out - Physical characterisitics

So if you finally made it to this point then you are almost there! Below you will find information for dating the serial numbers on Ludwig Drums.

Here are some references you can use to date by serial number. The web site link is available so feel free to visit their web sites and learn more. I only put them in one location to make it easier for people to get the information.

Vintage Drum Center 60's Ludwig dating guide: Also if you wish to purchase vintage drums or new drum gear this is the place to go!

If you have this badge you can't use the serial number guides below. Click Here

Ludwig 1960’s Serial Number Time Chart #1

DATE

SERIAL NUMBER

1960 to late 1963

no serial numbers used

February 24, 1964

12,219

April, 1964

31,505

April, 1965

142,581

July 6, 1965

171,268

October, 1965

233,838

March 19, 1966

308,863

August 30, 1966

361,292

November, 1966

390,690

March, 1967

427,211

June, 1967

493,426

November 15, 1967

519,728

February 6, 1968

578,990

June 21, 1968

604,865

November, 1968

650,521

January, 1969

673,078

February 26, 1969

689,430

September 4, 1969

743,080

Ludwig 1960’s Serial Number Time Chart #2

DATE

SERIAL NUMBER

1960 to late 1963

no serial numbers used

1964

0 – 133,000

1965

133,000 – 266,000

1966

266,000 – 399,000

1967

399,000 – 532,000

1968

532,000 – 665,000

1969

665,000 – 798,000*

* Note: At approximately the 750,000 mark in the serial number sequence, Ludwig discontinued the brass Keystone badge and replaced it with the blue and olive parallelogram-shaped badge.

The Ludwig Drummer.com dating guide from their web site. Only presented because the web site has been going down so I wanted it documented here


Date Stamp by Year 1964

Serial Number Date Stamp

11362 2/10/64

15429 1/1/64

16860 3/12/64

19878 3/27/64

24024 4/20/64

71265 1/1/64

71488 1/1/64

72614 1/1/64

169647 1/1/64

267000 1/1/64

Date Stamp by Year 1965

Serial Number Date Stamp

108532 3/4/65

113969 3/1/65

114352 3/20/65

119267 1/1/65

122886 3/29/65

125635 1/1/65

155995 5/12/65

162700 6/8/65

184550 1/1/65

191777 6/8/65

195136 8/17/65

204494 9/13/65

226553 11/8/65

22749110/1/65

22880710/1/65

2350919/23/65

25247112/23/65

2857001/1/65

2912524/2/65

Date Stamp by Year1966

Serial NumberDate Stamp

2680697/11/66

2975822/10/66

3119702/5/66

3407981/1/66

3510007/11/66

3550008/2/66

38930412/1/66

4102659/1/66

41938011/19/66

41990011/14/66

4490009/1/66

Date Stamp by Year1967

Serial NumberDate Stamp

3976021/1/67

3982881/1/67

4369131/1/67

4430001/30/67

4660003/2/67

4754122/28/67

4933061/1/67

4980001/30/67

51791011/24/67

5309038/16/67

55218411/3/67

56513512/29/67

Date Stamp by Year1968

Serial NumberDate Stamp

50637111/2/68

5627461/9/68

5723352/6/68

5888933/11/68

5900713/14/68

5907261/1/68

5913101/1/68

6072841/1/68

6072881/1/68

6078353/15/68

6159155/20/68

6566611/1/68

Date Stamp by Year1969

Serial NumberDate Stamp

6734081/31/69

7026611/1/69

7091989/12/69

Date Stamp by Year1970

Serial NumberDate Stamp

8029669/8/70

Date Stamp by Year1971

Serial NumberDate Stamp

8167004/8/71

9100001/1/71

Rebeats.com historian Rob Cook also a personal friend has an excellent book about ludwig drums you can find by visiting his web site.

Here is the dating guide for 60's and 70's Ludwig Drums. The Ludwig Book is invaluable to me as a collector and I strongly suggest you consider buying all of Rob's Books! His books are a complete guide and offers more insight then these tables.

Keystone Badges
1961-1962: No Numbers
1963 No Numbers - 7900
1964 9xxx - 33449
1965 108532 - 259xxx
1966 260xxx - 449xxx
1967 450xxx - 548xxx
1968 549xxx - 665372
1969 670xxx - 741215
Blue & Olive Badges
1969 765xxx - 834xxx
1970 out of sequence,unnunmered
1971 835xxx - 895xxx
1972 896xxx - 916xxx
1976 917xxx - 1290xxx
1978 xxxxxxx
1979 xxxxxxx - 2013537
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